The Val Verde Guide to Influencing with Jamie Loftus

Speaker 1 (00:00)
We're the station that leads you to the beer stand at Val Verde Amphitheater whenever that classic rock band tries to play a new song from their new album. Yeah, this is a new one from our new album and it's called Denim Beauty. One, two... Stick to the old stuff, guys. shit. Where's everyone going? Come back. Val Verde Rocks with 108.9, The Hawk.

when you get down to it, well first off, hello 108.9 The Hawk, and that is Cheap Trick and Dream Police on 108.9 The Hawk, the Jeff and Wisp show. Jeff, my question though, who would you rather come to your front door? The Val Verde police? Uh-huh. Or the Dream Police? I guess question with a question. Is Bunny Carlos gonna be there?

Or is he not a part of this dream police? He's not a part of this dream police. And I'm Val Verde Police Department. You're going Val Verde. You were all at ACAB or at Abacab. Is it Abacab, Scotty, or Producer? I've my Abacab neck tattoo. And then someone informed me that it was too many letters. Too many letters. I said, God damn it. Well, I love Genesis anyways. I'm just going to keep it. It works out. And then I started noticing most of the Val Verde Police Department were actually wearing bootleg Genesis shirts.

Are you instead of their uniforms lately really like well Abacabs working and you know a cab Abacab as long as we're cabin Genesis and I say let's go for it Val Verde police That's what Jim says. He says let's go for it. Well, they're doing a pull quote for the police and I'm talking the band that we say go for it let me just ask you you're getting pulled over

They've got their taser like ready to go like pointed at your throat and they're dressed. That is also just standard here. Like most cops really are bees, if you know what I mean. But in Val Verde, they're even worse. They just come out. They're always tasing. They are ready. They will tase you for no reason. They're coming up to me. I've been speeding. and they've got their taser out and they're dressed up in like a full lamb lies down on Broadway. Genesis, 1975 record. That was at seventy five or seventy four, Scotty. Jeff.

He's shaking his head. No, he's shaking his head. No, but he never fucking tells me anything. Throw the delay. What happens is they show up and then they start laughing because I'm wearing. Boston Bruins be because I'm dressed as Bill Buford when Bill Buford's taking over for a bit. And then we have a good laugh and they still tase me because they are, course, Valverde and police and they are just Jones and to use that they just man, they are Jones and to use that.

Hey, I do have to tell you that today we're in the seven o'clock hour, 7.04 right here on 108.9 The Hawk on The Jeff and Whiz Show. And of course, got so much coming on, so many moving pieces. But I got to tell you, Jeff, today's Jeff and Whiz Show is brought to you by Ass Dogg, the new adult cartoon on Channel 8++. And holy shit, I'm hearing great things about this show. You know McGruff the Crime Dog, Jeff? Of course I do.

You know Clifford the Big Red Dog? Of course I do. They both take bites out of crime. They both take bites out of crime and so does Ass Dog, a hardened cop who's real loose wire after a head injury he got while licking his own privates. You never know what he's gonna do. Now here I do have a clip. I'm gonna play it right now for you, Jeff. Let me know what you think. Are you excited for Ass Dog? you know I'm excited. Get on the ground. Get on the ground. I was just asking about my parking ticket. I...

will consider your ass parked permanently. Damn, I think I'll be watching AssDog. Wow. Surprisingly problematic. Action like he this guy's only asking about his parking ticket. That's all he was doing. This AssDog's worse than the Valverde police. I think AssDog may be the worst member of the Valverde police. My God. But I mean, that's also, hey, that's channel 8++. What are you going to do?

That's it. That's why you pay for streaming. That's motto is wildly problematic all they're showing. Wildly problematic. my god, if there's if there's a new Steven Seagal movie, it's getting first run on that right after ass dog. Do you want to hear it again? Do you want to hear it again? For ass dog. Okay, here we go. Get on the ground. Get on the ground. I was just asking about my parking ticket. I will consider your ass parked.

Permanently. That's ass dog. Wildly problematic. And of course on tonight at Channel 8++, the streaming Channel 8 here in Val Verde. So get ready for that. Jeff, another big thing to get ready for, like I said, so many moving parts here on the Jeff and Wisp show this morning. We are gonna learn TikTok. We're gonna learn how to do it. We are gonna learn how to be the best goddamn influencers in Val Verde radio. And we've got Mackenzie Mackenzie coming up very, very

Quickly here, shortly, I should have said quickly, because we've got her for the whole hour, Scotty. Whole hour, whole hour, whole hour, Scotty. Whole hour, whole hour, Scotty. I can't wait to find out how to influence. I have been waiting, I'm 77 years old, Jeff. I've been waiting 77 goddamn years to learn how to influence, and we're gonna find out.

Very, very we were influencing all this time. thought there's nothing more influential than terrestrial radio. I say it all the time. Truly, truly, truly. It all comes from terrestrial radio. You know, you watch any music doc and they're saying you got to remember what it was like at the time. And they're usually talking about terrestrial radio. It is setting the pace of rock and roll and then culture right after that. Well, you got to remember. They've changed.

I love those rock docs where it's something extremely problematic and they're like, well, you gotta remember what the times were like. you got it. You gotta remember. I'm like, I do remember actually. Edgewater Inn in Seattle. You gotta remember what the times were like. You gotta. my God. But hey, if you like rock and roll, my friends, we got one hell of a show this Saturday. We've got Def Leppard. We've got the Brett Michaels band.

And we've got Tony diarrhea in the well fed babies, Verde tone. we've got your tickets courtesy of tickets tickets. So whenever you hear this sounder, do you want to get tickets? Let's get, let's get, let's get, let's get tickets.

When you hear that sounder for real not this time it's not this time we call her for 400 Scotty Jesus Christ We're gonna be here all fucking day And we got a reminder from Scotty to you have to let the sounder once again We say this all the time play the time the entire time laid out. It's got a bed though This is a bed, so we're under and we have it, but we have a specific marked point That we count the 400 after that point, but then the bed continues. Oh shit

So we're really, we're going to be giving these tickets away. A of women parts this morning. 7 p.m. tonight. But get ready when you hear that sound. It could happen at any time. Could happen at any time. And you're getting tickets to see Def Leppard, Bret Michaels, Bantoni Diarrhea and the Wealth at Baby's Verde Dome this Saturday night, baby. God almighty. That's radio, kids. That's how you do. You're going to be on a documentary one day and you're just like, I mean, that was the way it was at the time. You got to remember what it was like at the time.

You gotta remember what it was like at the You gotta remember. That's our new motto 108.9 the hawk. gotta remember what it was like at the time. New, new motto. I do have one last thing I gotta talk about real quick, Real quick, make it quick. Real quick. Sultans of Swing Val Verde Chapter Spring Mixer to all my members of the Sultans of Swing. To you. We had it last night. Of course, that was on Lil Verde Island right in middle of Verde River now. I can't tell you that much, Jeff.

but I can't say we had a hell of a time. Kayaking, bonfires, blood sacrifice to a giant statue of Mark Knopfler from Dire Straits as he is our Lord and Commander. Al Roker, I mean, I don't want to tell you how many people are in Sultans of Swing or who. is you not telling us too much. I'm not telling you too much, but I will say that Al Roker was the one that cut his hand and he dripped in some blood this time. Man, we had a hell of a time. A real Bohemian Grove situation down there. Really?

Truly, truly. Now, there is Bohemian Grove is assaulting to swing. Yep. We had a lot of talking about plans, you know, where we shut the government down here and there, you know, which which which state we're going to make suffer, you know, and and stuff like that. And then the party saw some of that on your true social account last night. I you might have had a little bit too much of the cognac. I told us more than you were supposed to tell us. know what? Let's hold that. Let's go ahead and bring in our guests, because I want to ask about.

you know, social media and the ones I should be on because I'm on Truth Social all the time. All day long. All day long. Mackenzie Mackenzie, feminist influencer. Welcome to the Rock and Roll RV.

Speaker 2 (09:27)
Hi, how are you guys? Wow, thank you. I mean, and truly no pressure to be respectful.

Speaker 1 (09:29)
I mean, better now, McIntosh.

Really? okay, wow.

put the gloves on and I guess the gloves are now. It's the sound of my glove coming off. So Mackenzie, you are a feminist influencer. Why?

Speaker 2 (09:41)
Station gloves off!

You know, I found myself asking the same question the last several months. You know, who can say why? But it's part of why I wanted to join you here today. I'm a big fan of both of you. Really? Well, know, age before beauty.

Speaker 1 (10:08)
Who first?

my god. I love I'm a beautiful man and you are an old person, Wisp.

Speaker 2 (10:19)
Okay,

I mean with I truly I will never forget one of the first radio broadcasts was ever forced to listen to Was the morning that you wept when you failed to hit the post I? I did

Speaker 1 (10:32)
You heard that?

96. Stairway to heaven, ladies and gentlemen. Now there's a post that's literally two minutes out. And I'm just talking about everything that's happening here in Val Verde. I did a little bit of community calendar and then as I'm still talking, I'm getting real damn close to what are we pointing out in the hock? It's a there's a lady. was like, God! God! They teach that in broadcasting school now.

They do. do. Val Verde Broadcasting School, you got to do the stairway. You got to walk it. Took the Zoom class.

Speaker 2 (11:06)
class I took the zoom class you I

did I did when it went to zoom and at the time I didn't understand but it is one of my earliest memories

Speaker 1 (11:19)
Did you know who Led Zeppelin

was when you took the class?

Speaker 2 (11:22)
see, I did, but my father was an aspiring broadcaster. And so we would listen to your broadcast together, actually.

Speaker 1 (11:33)
that is very sweet. That will say hello to your dad from me. What is it? You're not answering his phone. Scotty, can we get his phone number?

Speaker 2 (11:37)
Well, I can't.

Sorry, no, it's

it's I, he did, he was an aspiring broadcaster himself, but he passed away about around the time I became a feminist publicly.

Speaker 1 (11:58)
Was that

the reason he died? Was there a connection there? Is there a connection between you coming into feminism and your father just like, well, time to go to hell?

Speaker 2 (12:07)
If you

asked me eight years ago, I would have answered very differently. But now, I would say yes. It is absolutely my belief in myself that killed my father. I, yes, I've tried to turn myself in multiple times, but there's not enough proof. But as the...

Speaker 1 (12:25)
Not enough proof. That's the Val Verde

police for you. They don't really want proof as much. That's on the police cards. It says not enough proof. No protect and serve. Not enough proof.

Speaker 2 (12:37)
What I will say is when I reported, when I turned myself into the sheriff, he said, you cannot be convicted for being a feminist at this time, but come back next year.

Speaker 1 (12:49)
Check

back in at the Val Verde. Yes. They're like, can you help us out and just come back like take a number? tell you what that Oh Easy so easy. Hey, you know what? I'm realizing I I did a boo-boo like I will come at you tasers already

Speaker 2 (12:57)
how easy they are to get on the horn.

Speaker 1 (13:09)
Paisers are ready. Now, Mayor Lee Roth has been trying to do change the Val Verde Civic Code to make feminism, you know, just one of those things that we just, you know, jail and incarcerate people for no reason whatsoever. And Mayor Lee Roth, if you're listening right now, and I know you listen to the Jeff and Whiz ready for it. I think 2025 is the year. All right. All right.

Speaker 2 (13:35)
I mean, God willing. God willing.

Speaker 1 (13:37)
Hey buddy. Hey God. What do think?

Speaker 2 (13:41)
And he would say, oh sure thing, Wisp.

Speaker 1 (13:44)
I wish. mean, he's acting like your dad right now and saying nothing. my God. Now you are an influencer as well. So let's separate the feminism from the influence of racism. And what's the what is that like? How is that life? Mackenzie Mackenzie.

Speaker 2 (13:48)
No, no, no.

Thank you so much for asking. The algorithm changes every single day.

Speaker 1 (14:11)
Algorithm get it. That was one of my favorite Friday skits. Oh my Al Gore on as the algorithm. He's like a rhythm of the night's playing. Sorry. We we go on tangents a lot.

Speaker 2 (14:24)
I'm a fan. This was good. This was good. actually it would sometimes Determine if I receive corporal punishment as a child of you know How long the banter lasted who hit the post who came back in really that's in the loser Wow

Speaker 1 (14:42)
Must have been

a really tough day with with this and for you. I'm just like, God.

Speaker 2 (14:49)
You know,

And I can feel it, I can feel it in my body when you did that.

Speaker 1 (14:57)
You know what? I can feel in my body.

Speaker 2 (15:00)
Mm-hmm

Speaker 1 (15:07)
Alright, Tangents, Influencism. What is it like, Mackenzie Mackenzie?

Speaker 2 (15:12)
Well, you know, being an influencer is, you gotta go with the algorithm. So when I started, when I first sort of popped off, was with a feminist show I was running at the time. It was called, Come On Bitch.

Speaker 1 (15:24)
Okay, what was the name of that show?

What was Freddy Krueger

Speaker 2 (15:34)
Okay, feminist icon

Speaker 1 (15:38)
Yeah, feminist

icon, Freddy Krueger.

Speaker 2 (15:43)
Yes, I think so I think so But no, I started with I started in the mid 2010s with come on bitch Which which was just sort of motivating young women to? To come on, you know be rich bitch. Yes, you know wash your face get your shit together and you know sort of do do what your dad told you to do and

Speaker 1 (15:51)
Come on, bitch.

Those

are the three tenants of come on bitch. Wash your-

Speaker 2 (16:12)
Get

your shit together and do what your dad told you to do

Speaker 1 (16:17)
Gordon Peterson was like, could add, I could add maybe like nine more to that. Make your bed, I guess, or some bullshit.

Speaker 2 (16:21)
Get out a couple of steps and.

I would never overstep. I do have an intolerance to meat that has made it really difficult for me to sort of get fully on board. But I realize that that is a feminine weakness on my part. It's certainly not a criticism of the Don. but.

Speaker 1 (16:42)
No, no, no. Everyone

bow down to Jordan. you know, Jordan, speaking of social media and influence of Jordan, Peterson would not stop responding to my social post last night. Mackenzie McKenzie, are you on truth social?

Really? you gotta dive in. You gotta dive in, Mackenzie. The water's fine.

Speaker 2 (17:04)
I'm still trying to get the bitches who I got to come on to move over.

Speaker 1 (17:10)
They

love that language on truth social you do not get silly too They might be using it in a different way than it used to be used, but they do love it. It's a shared language

Speaker 2 (17:24)
I that

with the term bitch, we reclaimed it, right? But then we just gave it back. It was like we were borrowing it.

Speaker 1 (17:31)
Yeah, it's like you just handed it right back to them and they're like, oh, thank you. It's kind of smoothed out a little now. Just have fun with it.

Speaker 2 (17:39)
So now it smells better and you can have it back. Call me that again.

Speaker 1 (17:45)
my God, Mackenzie Mackenzie, hang out with us. You're going to teach us all about feminism and how to be an influencer. we do have to send things over right now to traffic. What do we point nine the hawk traffic with art spart? Wow. I'm running down a dream. Everybody has a running dream. Working on a mystery of why none of us want to run.

down a dream and that dream is today and it has become a nightmare because we have traffic. That's right if you're trying to get to the semi-annual Eddie Trunks tribute to YNT festival then good luck because traffic all over town is at a standstill and that is because the other event booked in Val Verde today is at a literal standstill. That's right tonight is the get back into getting back into running event. The running marathon for everyone who on New Year's said this is it.

This is different. This year is the year I get back into shape and I start running. And then about one month after this resolution was made, everyone collectively stops running. Well, this was supposed to be the solution to that, a jumpstart to the jumpstart organized by Flapper's Chicken Wings, where everyone could get started on fitness. Again? Well, I bet you can guess what happened. Most of Val Verde showed up at the Flapper's on Hog Street with all their new running apparel.

which they had to buy again after they threw out the original new running apparel they bought. Everyone started stretching. Lots of talk about how this is gonna be the year. And then Flappers brought out the free chicken wings. From lemon pepper, to fuzzy dice, to Gatorade Fierce Flavored Flappers Chicken Wings. And everyone started gorging themselves. The manager of Flappers kept yelling, you have to carb load!

which usually means a pasta dinner the night before a big run, not 100 chicken wings eaten as quickly as possible five minutes before a run. A 17 mile run, which admittedly was a big ass from slappers. Between you and me, I'm starting to think they didn't want anyone to actually run, but just remember how much they love those delicious wings. So they return again, and again, and again.

Well, as soon as that starting gun went off, everyone started running as fast as possible and within 200 feet, everybody stopped just as quick. All collapsing in the middle of Hog Street in sweat and chicken wing grease. all lanes of traffic on our main thoroughfare. So if you're planning on restarting your commitment to fitness again and you were running late, maybe just give up again.

and simply put on your YNT shirt and wait it out because any truck will be waiting for anyone that shows up after this traffic convention is cleared up.

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Speaker 1 (24:42)
my number one nemesis in all of Val Verde, you know it, you're listening, Bob Seeger. You pull any of your shit on me. At any of the events I go to, Bob always just randomly shows up on a flatbed truck with his piano playing Kathmandu, ruining everything about any of my events. He did it last night. behind him just apologizing. Just like, I am We apologize. Bob Seeger's system's like he threw us into the curb years ago. Yeah, we can't have it. We have nothing to say.

about him. I do got to go to news. All the news you can use or the news you could lose. It's news time on 108.9. Of course, our guest here, influencer, feminist influencer, Mackenzie Mackenzie. Feel free to jump in on any of these stories. Tell us. Tell us your feminist perspective on the news right here in the Val Verde Valley.

Speaker 2 (25:34)
Well, no matter what it is, I will agree with you.

Speaker 1 (25:37)
Love it. Perfect. this. This is good radio right here. Just call me Papa. Hey, shout out to the Val... No, no, I didn't mean that, but I have children. Hey, shout out to the Val Verde Fire Department for getting Clumsy, Val Verde's largest cat out of a willow tree yesterday. Everybody's seen Clumsy. He weighs in at 420 pounds. 420 bro! 420 bro! I know 420 cake stance!

There we go. There's our dirtbag sidekick, Kegstam. Thank you for that. Thanks for the contribution. He usually comes up with a very lewd and crude comment, but not just basically parroting what we just said.

Speaker 2 (26:21)
It's just nice to really see him in person. I'm a huge fan and I didn't know that he stayed beneath the table. I didn't know he was here.

Speaker 1 (26:29)
Sometimes

we don't know he's here. Sometimes he's down in Austin just zooming it in and I'm just like, okay, you're just hanging out with the skanks down there. The legion of skanks, that's great. Hanging out with the He loves the comedy scene in Austin. He loves it. There you go. Wow. Kiltoni, Kankstan. Oh man. you.

Speaker 2 (26:41)
I mean dudes rock after all.

And the

mothership. Thank you. Wow. I would love to meet him in person someday. Here we go. I'm so sorry.

Speaker 1 (26:54)
OK, back to Clumpsy. OK. I'm

see somehow OK, climb to the tallest branch in Edith Stars tree in Val Verde East and was up there for a week until the fire department said, fuck it, we'll try it. And Clumpsy ended up crashing down on two firefighters, instantly breaking both of their arms and legs. But Clumpsy is OK. And when you get right down to it, ladies and gentlemen, that is all that matters.

So what do you guys think of that story? I got another story. What do you think about that story? think it's beautiful that they keep them at 420. You know, they keep like I keep going like, let's up it a little. Let's try to get clumsy, even bumps here. But there's like, oh, we've got we've got a number and we're sticking with it. This is what he's famous for. 420. And he's got that take me to your dealer poster right next to your next to his litter box.

Right next to And he's got that one that Howie Mandel is talking about all the time. I'm like, you're right, this doesn't stink. This is great, Howie. And then on the inside of his very, very large litter box, Scarface poster. Because you know Clumsy knows how to fucking rock. This whole town's a chicken just waiting to get plucked. He knows what's going

Speaker 2 (28:07)
I used to have a serious issue with secret keepers, town secret keepers like Clumpsy. Really? Yeah, know, with so much power as Clumpsy is that he sees a lot, he knows a lot, and yet what does he do? But as time goes on, I've really come to appreciate that he's really just there to chill, toke, and have a good time. And if that's against the law,

Shoot me.

Speaker 1 (28:38)
I would wear a do love that on Truth Social, actually. I love it. Typing that on my Truth Social right now. Chill, toke, and have a good time. And Hexeth, Hexeth just gave me a punch for it. I love it. Love it, love it, love it. Hey, more news. Shootout at Shooter's Bar and Buffet last night. Three dead, including members of the band playing there last night. Super spreader.

So sorry about that, SuperSpreader, but kudos to the premier SuperTramp cover bands that actually started during the COVID-19 pandemic, of course. They're like, what are we going to do in this pandemic? Maybe we should... And they started over Zoom. They were one of those terrible bands that started over Zoom. Take a look at my girlfriend. It's awful. It's awful. But three of them dead.

But kudos to Shooters for cleaning it up so quickly and thanks to local band Goose Beasley in the foam zone for stepping in and giving Shooters patrons the show that super spreader could it. I mean, Goose was just there just waiting on the back line. Just like ready to jump in. What do you think? What do you think? There's a lot of shootings at Shooters. It's in the name.

Speaker 2 (29:42)
I say, you know, if you don't wear the vest at shooters, you get what you deserve. Not to blame the victim, but that's kind of my thing these days. So I...

Speaker 1 (29:50)
You really like it. You love blaming

the victim in 2025.

Speaker 2 (29:55)
In 2025, it has occurred to me that maybe we, even I was asking for it. I used to have a lot of problems, but I've actually kind of compartmentalized all of them. And I think as far as as far as Super Shooter goes, they couldn't even they couldn't play. They played in sync on Zoom, but certainly not in person. far as I could. The delay. They deserved to and I wouldn't have said this, but they deserve to go. They deserve to.

Speaker 1 (30:15)
They did deserve it is what you did.

Speaker 2 (30:49)
This is why

you're the greatest to ever do it.

Speaker 1 (30:51)
Thank

you. you. Whisp Turlington, greatest to ever do Mackenzie Mackenzie's lips, lips to my ears, ears. And that's 108.9, the hot news brought to you by Charney's. Charney's with 72 locations in the greater Verde Valley. Charney's nobody eats for free. No one eats for free at Charney's. So, OK, so we talked a little truth social there. Mackenzie Mackenzie, what are you thinking about? What do you think about TikTok? Is it going to stick around?

Speaker 2 (31:20)
I think TikTok is a great place to form enemies, to last a lifetime. Do I support TikTok? Well, it really depends on the news of the day. There's been days where I've supported it, but other days, the wind blows another way. I think that TikTok is a nemesis generator that we are just really neglecting. I have countless 19 year olds that would cut my head off.

if given the opportunity. it's increased my value tremendously.

Speaker 1 (31:53)
just knowing that you're such a target makes you worth so much.

Speaker 2 (31:59)
especially with people that have no power at all.

Speaker 1 (32:06)
I say that all the time on Truth Social.

Speaker 2 (32:06)
Great.

There's a lot of vulnerable people there.

Speaker 1 (32:13)
You got nothing. got no. I'm with Turlington. You got nothing. I can say to both of you, like I live in a mall. My house is a converted mall, Turlington Manor. And I get on top of it and I see all the fucking idiots still come into it because there are still a few active. It is what you would call a dead mall because there are still a few stores that are active, like a payless, a shoes shoes. The boutique is still going. You can still get your ears pierced at Claire's. can get in there.

That's right next to your second bathroom. That is right next. I'm in my second bathroom.

Speaker 2 (32:46)
I'm curious, and this is as a fan, is the ice rink still there?

Speaker 1 (32:50)
Oh,

that's mine. That is I am out there. I've got the guy running the Zamboni all the time. He's like, when are you going to let me off with? I'm like, I'm never letting you off the Zamboni. He doesn't need a noise machine when he sleeps because he just has the hum of the Zamboni next to it.

Speaker 2 (33:06)
That's the true sign of success. Zamboni Driver, no pee break.

Speaker 1 (33:09)
I'm like I'd like to see your family too that ice is so yellow too because he breaks and it's way it doesn't clean it the other way if you know what I mean, yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Hey, so, okay How can

Jeff and I, now you've been with us here for a few minutes here in the seven o'clock hour, currently 723 Val Verde, wake up, go to your job, 108.9, you've been in here with us for a few minutes. How do you see us now? I mean, you see us, you're a fan, you already know how great we are, but how can we, greatness sometimes does it factor into how to influence people. In 2025 on social media, how do we become

in the New Windsors.

Speaker 2 (34:00)
Well, I'm so glad you asked, Wes. I think that something that you have infinite charisma, and I just want to slow it down. They've shortened that word, but I think that let's just talk about that another day. You can guess what syllable that they've chosen. Isma.

Speaker 1 (34:18)
Was it hashtag is more as a Was it that way

Speaker 2 (34:19)
Okay?

Ispa is two syllables.

I think you know that you you could make that work. I mean it just sounds like kind of a slow inhale. Sorry I don't mean to be critical.

Speaker 3 (34:33)
High-fake.

Speaker 1 (34:42)
No, no, it's

not. you can be. This is the career We're learning from the master over here. You are the master, we are the children. former feminist, influencer, you teach us thy ways.

Speaker 2 (34:53)
So when I was at the peak of Come On Bitch before the incident, right? But when I was at the peak of Come On Bitch, I was selling a lot of stuff. There was never something I wasn't selling. And I have to say, as a longtime fan, you really could have bled me dry, but you're very rarely selling me something.

Speaker 1 (35:16)
We're not selling much. Now, Jeff has his supplements, of course, brain juice. Brain juice. mean, you gotta, just a good reminder, you gotta try that brain juice, because it's gonna solve all your ills.

Speaker 2 (35:26)
I mean, I don't make, let's not be mistaken. I've tried them and after the hospital visit, was part of my journey to no longer being a feminist.

Speaker 1 (35:37)
Brain juice? of brain juice. That is beautiful.

Speaker 2 (35:42)
Not all the way, but it got me. It was a kick in the right direction. The hemorrhage.

Speaker 1 (35:46)
That's

what I mean. And it says that in parentheses, hemorrhage will be kicking the right direction. And that's certain podcasters back it up. just, you know, and I thank my God. 100%.

Speaker 2 (35:58)
I've tried them all. Yours is the most hemorrhagic in the business.

Speaker 1 (36:03)
I

got really quickly. do have to say two things. One, one 08.9, the hot, the podcast, because this is podcasted to because all radio stations podcast. So you heard everywhere, but I got to say Brachy by Brain Juice, very hemorrhoid, very hemorrhoid.

Speaker 2 (36:08)
You can go.

That's a start.

Speaker 1 (36:29)
Right, and also, it's time! Do you wanna get tickets? Let's get, let's get, let's get, let's get tickets!

That's right Val Verde caller number 400. My god Scotty, every time I read that I'm shocked. Deaf Leopard, And by the way, you're at your slop jobs and you're calling in, we are not at the point yet. Not yet, we're not gonna be there for So if you're calling in, we're not counting there. But the bed will keep going so just pay attention. Bed will keep going, Deaf Leopard.

Bret Michaels Band and Tony Diarrhea and the Well-Fed Babies this Saturday night at Verde Dome. Would you like to go? Are you a Big Leopard or Tony Diarrhea fan?

Speaker 2 (37:18)
I'm

mostly familiar with the posts, but I would consider myself a fan, yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:23)
So this

song doesn't have a post because it starts with do you want to get rocked? You can't even talk into it. That's the great thing. That's Leopard's magic.

Speaker 2 (37:31)
That's hard

transition. That's only a pro could do that.

Speaker 1 (37:35)
Only a pro could do that, and that's me. I can do that. Okay, so four, no. No. Okay. Let's see here, Pop, pop, pop. Talk, Jeff, I'm looking up stuff, Jesus Christ. Sorry, I was waiting for you to decide what you were doing over here. I'm Okay. Oh no, this isn't your fault. No, no, no, I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (37:59)
thought you were

processing the poppa thing and maybe had a follow-up.

Speaker 1 (38:01)
I

was processing the proper thing because I have children. I also have children I don't know about. I am basically like screaming Jay Hawkins. There's a lot of wisp in the world and I don't necessarily want to encounter it. Let's play a game. It's called The Post and here's Leopard.

Hey, OK, here I go. Hey, we got Def Leppard at the Verde Dome this weekend. It's gonna be a good time. If you want to go on out there, Tony diarrhea and the well fed babies, they're going on at seven o'clock. So get out there and diarrhea it up, bitch. Boom. That's how you do it. Thank you. Thank you. Would you like to do a leopard? You can do this. OK, Mackenzie.

Speaker 2 (38:38)
Teamless.

I know, I've never tried.

Speaker 1 (38:46)
You

can do this. What do you want? You want? Okay, well, we can't do

Speaker 2 (38:50)
Give

me some options. Give me some options. I'm just a girl.

Speaker 1 (38:52)
Well, first

off, since you're just a girl, got to say it's all Def Leppard. So. Let's try let's try Armageddon it, OK, here we go.

Speaker 2 (38:57)
Okay, okay, I'll do my best.

I know that one. Okay. the next song is starting. I, I just want to send this one out to my dad. His name was also Mackenzie Mackenzie. He died, exploding near the troops and I love him. And he was really nice to me. We enjoyed this show together. And if there was, and I don't think he would have liked it.

Speaker 1 (39:28)
Out, out, out, out, out, out, out,

Speaker 2 (39:32)
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm

sorry. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (39:37)
Your dad would have been proud of that. hope he's listening. Are junior?

Speaker 2 (39:41)
No, he wouldn't

let me.

It was just Eminem, Eminem.

Speaker 1 (39:50)
Wow, well, we're gonna talk about that. I'm sure in the next break we do have to go back in and pay some bills, but hell I'm on a roll. It's Def Leppard 108.9. Of course, this is a track from Hysteria and I remember doing a lot of cocaine on this tour with Def Leppard backstage everywhere Cleveland Roanoke Salem

Speaker 2 (40:17)
And that's how I should have done it and I didn't.

Speaker 1 (40:21)
You gotta mention how much coke you did. Jeff Leppard,

there it goes. I said, there it goes. There it goes. There because I was about to say Don, but I said there. There we go. Don Henley, Boys of Summer, a song that I learned this week that Bob Dylan was actually jealous of. He was like, and that said what he said is I really love Boys of Summer. You got the Bob Rossettis.

Speaker 2 (42:57)
He's hard to understand.

Speaker 1 (42:58)
Because he's

hard to understand, yes.

Speaker 2 (43:01)
Boys, know, the thing that always I thought was interesting about it, whenever my dad and I were listening to your show, anytime a song that was like the length of Boys of Summer would come on, he would yell, that's a pooper. And so I wanted to say, so is that, is that the sort of thing you would, and I don't mean to overstep.

Okay, okay.

yourself.

Speaker 1 (43:48)
Even if it's not Thanksgiving, we just go the full half hour because I'm gonna be saying hello to my porcelain king for quite a while if you know what I

Speaker 2 (43:57)
When Alice's restaurant came on, Dad would always be like, someone's sick! that.

Speaker 1 (44:03)
God, wish I could be I would kill to wish I could I'm sure dad I can't it's never gonna happen I do it we do have a time machine, but we're not gonna use it I will say I gotta add to Jeff's joke I'm down to flappers and I'm eating I'm eating a wing that tastes like Windshield wiper fluid and you know what I say I say that's a pooper and then you hear

Well, we just build on jokes. That's the beauty morning radio. That's just for the fans. And you have a lot of fans, Mackenzie Mackenzie, and I've heard you've disappointed them all this year.

Speaker 2 (44:39)
I do, you know, but all engagement is good engagement. that's something I you know well. There's lot of grad students that want my head on a spike, I'll tell you why.

Speaker 1 (44:50)
Really? Like Vlad the Impaler style?

Speaker 2 (44:54)
Women deep in debt think that I have betrayed them because they came on bitch and they don't feel like I saw them through it. Look, I just think it's just an issue of naivete. I'm honestly shocked that they stayed with me through the incident. After the incident, I was like, you know, I've gotta get Wisp on the horn. I've gotta start.

Speaker 1 (45:22)
This incident that we've heard about I know I've heard but what the incident? I've heard of I have heard the words the incident thrown around a few times there was that Netflix documentary too that was 20 parts called the incident the Mackenzie Mackenzie story story

Speaker 2 (45:25)
Yeah.

It was quite long. But there was a lot of stuff missing. I think maybe if you saw it on TikTok, they were calling it girl chapiquitic. they did.

Speaker 1 (45:55)
They did. I'm like, someone

better get that girl out of the car.

Speaker 2 (46:02)
And you know, what I think it was was a tragic accident. the premeditation, the emails, all that stuff about driving the cyber truck into the sea. you haven't, so you haven't watched the documentary? That means maybe my lawsuit has gone through.

Speaker 1 (46:18)
you

We watched, I gotta be honest.

I watched the whole thing, but just like how they've been saying, I was staring at my phone for 90 % of the time while I was watching.

Speaker 2 (46:35)
You really have to, it's the kind of thing I just can't, I can't stand the documentary because it doesn't really kick up till part 18, if you can believe.

Speaker 1 (46:43)
I gotta say, 1 through 17 was boring as all hell.

Speaker 2 (46:47)
I the whole thing, but it's starting in the 19th century. I couldn't make heads or tails of it.

Speaker 1 (46:53)
I see how that applied to your life at that point.

Speaker 2 (46:55)
Apparently I'm Italian. didn't see that. was learning things about my own family. Wow. Boom. But it gets to girl chapiquitic around, you know, part 18. And yes, there was, had a, used to have a coworker, you know, a cohost on Come On Bitch and she drowned in the cyber truck, right? Wow. And was I, the thing is I wasn't driving the cyber truck. I told the cyber truck where to go and I made it out and that's all.

Speaker 1 (47:21)
Uh-huh.

So you're saying the Cybertruck is the one that did it.

Speaker 2 (47:29)
I don't know. I mean, I'm not going to say anything against this.

Post any of that on social media. I don't want to. I don't want to. I'm not saying the Cybertruck did anything wrong. I'm just saying in this day and age, know, sometimes God is among you and you don't know. Sometimes God knows.

Speaker 1 (47:50)
You've...

Speaker 2 (47:57)
We

gotta digitize it. We gotta digitize it. This is what I'm trying

Speaker 1 (48:02)
Is that like a Bitcoin is this what I'm hearing about could you Bitcoin it could you Bitcoin a digital?

Speaker 2 (48:08)
You could chapiquitic and many did and many, many did. Yeah, there were a few girl chapiquitic meme coins that offensive by the family of.

Speaker 1 (48:21)
Invested all my money into girl chapiquitic. Okay, man. now that's the time

Speaker 2 (48:27)
I'd love

to see his little head pop out. I just love it.

Speaker 1 (48:31)
like those Whack-a-mole

Speaker 2 (48:35)
I love, I hope I never know what the bottom half of his face.

Speaker 1 (48:39)
You don't want to know what the f***

these basically are Wilson. That's great. Hey, let's roleplay for a second. So it's the moment. no. Okay, please. Let's not. But I'm going to be the car. So you can call me car. Okay, I'm the Cybertruck.

You're the you're just the girl and you're beautiful. look beautiful. Just like this great out of total recall. Yeah. Some other dystopian.

Speaker 2 (49:08)
Imposing, authoritative.

Speaker 1 (49:10)
Yes.

Yes. And I'm looking not looking too big or so really dumb looking nothing. Okay, you see Verde Bay coming coming up up ahead right in front of you. And I'm going to be truck Mackenzie Mackenzie, what should we do?

Speaker 2 (49:33)
Okay, I'm, and Jeff just so you know, I'm sorry, I'm just trying to direct the scene a little bit. So Jeff, if you could say, please. Please. And then I lean in really close to you and I go, just do what it said. Just do what it said. Volume, computer volume off.

Speaker 1 (49:53)
her Mackenzie.

Are you trying to kill me, Mackenzie Mackenzie?

Speaker 2 (49:59)
do

what I said. Shhh.

Speaker 3 (50:01)
shh

Speaker 1 (50:02)
Volume back

up!

Speaker 2 (50:04)
Impainted

exposure! We're going! then would lean and then just do what it said, okay?

Speaker 1 (50:10)
Try to escape, girl! I think she's trying to kill you! The doors keep locking on me!

Speaker 2 (50:15)
Okay,

there's... and... Hard left! Hard left!

Speaker 1 (50:19)
but that's the ocean!

Speaker 2 (50:21)
Stop arguing Open door open door open left door Close left door

Speaker 1 (50:24)
you

Did that all happen in episode 17? that Because I think I missed it when I was playing some weird Czechoslovakian iOS game. don't know what happened.

Speaker 2 (50:47)
You know I'm realizing is I did not remember the point in the incident where I put on I just was lucky enough to put on scuba gear

Speaker 1 (50:57)
Wow, you were so lucky to have the Scoobly deer right there.

Speaker 2 (51:01)
Lucky

and I was always telling her telling her telling her wear scuba gear when you're in a car with me because you never know what I'm do

Speaker 1 (51:09)
You gotta listen to

your friends. If there's a moral to this episode of the Jeff and Wisp Show, Mackenzie Mackenzie, it's been a wonderful time having you down here with us. I gotta tell you, if there's one thing your friend, the girl in the Cybertruck, isn't anymore, that's a living thing. Electric Light Orchestra.

Speaker 2 (51:14)
Listen Listen to women.

never

gets old.

Speaker 1 (51:36)
from a new world

record right here on 108.9 the Hawk. Ed Begley Jr. up next.

welcome to 108.9 the Hawk. was very fun. I loved how triggered Wisp is whenever there's an idea that there could be another child in the world.

Speaker 2 (51:58)
Bye.

Whis being perceived as a father is it? Yeah, but you can't say that he's triggered

Speaker 1 (52:14)
No, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

was one that I got very sucked into. me, hits exactly, and this is like, to me, it's almost like one of the highest compliments I can give. It reminded me of doing the aspect of what Dave Holmes was doing with Waiting for Impact, which for me is one of my favorite podcasts because it's like, here's something that some people would treat small.

or something that just happened, but I feel like you're able to get into a much larger context in the best way possible of like every topic you've done so far. And to me, it's also like a salve to the amount of like podcasts and articles about culture that I'll just be like, there's not really much being said in this. where I'm like, this is a popular.

Like, you know, I'm thinking of some actually fairly popular ones that'll try to give a listen

Speaker 2 (53:40)
I used to write those too, and so you're just like, you're basically just like plagiarizing the guy who decided what the opinion was. Right.

Speaker 1 (53:50)
And so yeah, and and I'll say I'm looking at actually one of the biggest things. Yeah, why he's told me? chaos machine Fisher you had mentioned it and then I got the and I tell I like this has become one of those books I've like told like kind of everyone about and made feel oddly more comfortable when Trump got elected because it was just a reminder of like

Speaker 2 (53:59)
my god, Max!

So good.

Speaker 1 (54:19)
It is now going to be extra terrible, but also the algorithm is still trucking on the same trajectory it was doing when everyone thought it was better.

Speaker 2 (54:30)
Right, like almost 15 years ago.

Speaker 1 (54:33)
Try to like

keep it in mind of like where like, you know, many of our friends who are like, reacting to literally everything. And I'm like, it's all worth reacting to. And I don't know, it somehow calmed me. It went the opposite way with the chaos machine. He tried, he tried to get me to read it and that was right around. And I, and I got it from the library and I'm like, I can't, I can't dive into an idea of an algorithm when I'm, when my, I've got, here's the thing about me though, Jamie.

I've got too much room in my head right now for UFOs and all that other stuff that I like. I can't replace it.

Speaker 2 (55:09)
books

recent I was reading god there's like a recent book about UFOs by like Louise

Speaker 1 (55:14)
Who is Elzondo? Imminent.

Yes. Did you read it? I read it. I read it.

Speaker 2 (55:18)
And I was like, wow, this is so interesting. And then you get to the chapter where he was like, I was really involved in Guantanamo Bay, and I'm proud of all the work I did there. And you're just like, well, I guess I don't like this book fair. I don't know how seriously to take this guy now.

Speaker 1 (55:32)
I'm like,

he's like, God, building Guantanamo Bay was one of the best days of my life. And then when Trump was elected, none, none whatsoever. He's like, God, if I could live there. and he would then like when Trump was elected, he kept like tweeting at him like, hey, we're really excited for your leadership and may you can lead us into disclosure. And I'm like, Trump's not going to do that.

He's not gonna get you there. But like I said, I only had a little bit of room in my brain and it was all UFOs when he was trying to get me.

Speaker 2 (56:02)
I

mean, and Luis did a great job. I just really wish he hadn't brought up Guantanamo and maybe I would have continued on his journey. yeah, I know the chaos machine, it, yeah, I found it very disturbing and very comforting in the same way where you're just like, okay, we were never on a good path. It's not like it suddenly became like, oh wait, are these guys trying to make money? It's like, that's all we've

Speaker 1 (56:31)
It felt like a variation on like mid quarantine when I reread War of the Worlds and it was just like, this is like the same language but in the 1800s that are using with the flu but as a parable and like I was just like, okay, I get like a comfort out of like humanity. mean, being a trying to be a lot more chill as I get older but former like devout pessimist and sinist. And I always say I won my

high school yearbook superlative for most pessimistic. And now I try to be chiller, but it's like it helps me relax to know like humanity has always kind of been terrible and great at the same time. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:08)
and

I hear, yeah, it's like that everyone has always thought they were living in the worst timeline. And there's always been people doing good stuff in spite of believing that they live in the worst timeline. So it is like more cyclical than I feel like it feels like. Not that that makes it better, but it does make it at least like, okay, we've been, I'm in the middle of reading this book about the sense of smell. And the whole front half of it is about like,

shit in the streets and how many people wrote poems about shit in streets. Things have been worse. Things have been worse. And whenever someone's like, we're on the darkest timeline, I'm like, well, it's not good. But you should see these medieval poems about shit I've been reading.

Speaker 1 (58:09)
When I went to visit York in England and they had a Viking museum and you went through and they would pump in in different sections what the smell of the streets would be like. my God. And it was a nightmare. was like and I asked the guy working the front door. was like, does it get rough? goes, your nose kind of dies out. But it was just like.

Speaker 2 (58:27)
Right, yeah, like your nose can adjust to anything, which is a very scary power to have.

Speaker 1 (58:32)
And Louis Elizondo goes through the museum and he's like, this smells just like Guantanamo. I love it. But I do think we were joking about like the bit of like, I don't know, your podcast like does have the element too of like actually taking the statement that shows up in kind of lazy documentaries of you got to remember what it was like at the time. But actually, like you do need to see what it was like. Like, remember, because.

Speaker 2 (58:39)
this is taking me back.

Speaker 1 (59:01)
so much continues on and then like, know you do a great job of just putting into context and with the, know, also that's just the proper progressive viewpoint that I need as a old punk. Yeah, I just, I can't recommend it enough to people. truly, I listen to episode right away. And it's weekly, correct? It's 16th minute of fame.

Speaker 2 (59:25)
It is,

Speaker 1 (59:26)
And

Jamie, thank you. there anything else you want to plug on this episode? I want to wait point nine.

Speaker 2 (59:32)
man, my book about hot dogs is coming out in paperback soon. It's called Raw Dog, The Naked Truth About Hot Dogs and comes out in paperback in May.

Speaker 1 (59:38)
my god, that's amazing.

my God. That's fantastic. That is unbelievable. That's so good. We loved having you on love to have you back sometime. And just thank you for joining us here in Val Verde.

Speaker 2 (59:55)
Always a pleasure.